Calling: Salvation from Ignorance?

So I read today that their are an estimated 100 untouched tribes living in the jungle, one of which was recently found. This is the front line of evangelism and by evangelist I mean "willing" Christian. We are all called, but few will go. This raises a question and also provides a good reason to speak on a particular topic which is in the post below.

Question: Are those that do not hear the gospel saved through ignorance?

No. While our sensibility wants them to be spared it is not so and we well know it. From basic experience we know that ignorance of the law is not a way out of being guilty. Besides, the guilt people have is borne of sin (crimes or lawbreaking) which they have committed, not ignorance of the law. They are not guilty because they didn't know any better, but because they broke the law. Also, what was the point of Jesus telling us to go and making a point of informing us at all if understanding the gospel is what brings condemnation? It would be more appropriate in that case to leave us all in ignorance, but that is not what we have been told to do. The idea that ignorance is a form of protection is simply is not the reality of things. We must all follow a basic plan...

-Hear the gospel message (Romans 10:17)
-Believe on His Son (John 3:16)
-Confess Christ's name (Matthew 10:32-33)
-Repent of their sins (Luke 13:3, Acts 3:19)
-Have those sins remitted through baptism (Acts 2:28, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:21)
-Remain faithful (Hebrews 10:26, Revelation 2:10, John 14:15, )
-Speak the gospel (Ezekiel 33:8-9, Matthew 28:19)

Calling: Theo-Jello

While the above is a high calling and one I should respond to as much as you should, I have a strong need to call "Christians" back to their first love. To call them from confusion and apathy to repentance and faith. That is where I have been led it seems, more so than to those who have never heard. The European nations have already fallen and the US is in the midst of the fall.

We have corrupted and lost sight of God. We claim as individuals and as a group to stand on the solid rock of God and God's word, but we stand on Theo-Jello as the image shows. We lack passion, endurance, appreciation, trust, and hope. What’s more we refuse to recognize this, offended that we are being criticized and afraid that we are possibly in the wrong in our faith.

What is the price for falling away? What is the price we are willing to pay?

“Ah, stubborn children,” declares the Lord, “who carry out a plan, but not mine, and who make an alliance, but not of my Spirit, that they may add sin to sin;" - Isaiah 30:1

Conversations with unbelief (Part 6)

I've been swamped and distracted, but I have something here that was interesting.

Unbelief comes in many forms and I'm aware of that, but this was an unusual one even for me. I have a video on "junk DNA" on youtube and a woman commented on it about her apparent belief in what we will call the "alien or fallen-angel seed theory". Where-by the race of mankind is seeded by aliens which were "mistaken" to be angels and deities. If that is not a blatant attempt at replacing religion of supernatural with that of a natural one I don't know what is.

In conversation I was pleased to be able to use a bit of presuppositional apologetics and its effect was that of an a-bomb. The discussion ended with, "Please don't send me any notes. I don't believe in your Myth of God or Christ. So spare yourself the time and energy." I wouldn't say this was a good ending, but the approach certainly hit the mark as accurate as a sniper and this harsh severing of the discussion was evidence of it. So I wanted to share some of the dialogue to share what this looks like in a conversation instead of just "on paper".

The overall plan in this approach is to show how nothing can be known with confidence apart from a belief in God. A belief in God is essential to drawing any conclusions at all. It can then be argued quite well that the God of the bible is the only one that makes sense, is logically consistent. A more specific version of this is the "transcendental argument for God" and like this it removes any ability to fight out of the opponent unlike the many other arguments for Gods existence.

So there it is "on paper" and in brief the post below is the ending dialogue of the above mentioned discussion. We barely broke into the talk before she refused to go further. So this is just broaching the topics themselves.

Conversations with unbelief (Part 7)

"Why must you think in terms of a Deity? A god?"

I think in terms of a deity simply because it is the foundation for everything we think and do, even if we do not realize it. A case in point would be truth (or morality, reasoning, logic, etc..). Without a higher authority who sets the standards for these things? You see if their is no set standard to appeal to then all appeals are arbitrary opinion. Even your disapproval of my belief in God is founded on arbitrary opinion if no higher authority guides you. The same can be said that without a higher authority to guide what is true and what is not your opinion of the truthfulness of your own claims is valueless. This, and much more, is why even you should consider the necessity of God in the world. What are our opinions based in if not an ultimate authority?

"If a being is different than us or perhaps more elevated, that does not constitute a deity. The idea is absurd! There is no suggestion that any single deity created anything whatsoever."

Only an ultimate being constitutes a logically consistent deity and that is what I was referring to; not simply a more impressive creature. By the logic implied their is an endless regression in your theory of things, but an endless regression is a logical fallacy by any standard. For instance, we (creature "A2Z") are created by creature "Cp9" which was created by creature "0Fr" which was created by creature "23w" and so on. What does this gain you? Especially in light of a non-eternal universe which requires an initial creation. Such a creation demands an ultimate deity, Ie. God.

As for suggestions of God I would list many if you are really interested in hearing them. From science to logic to eye-witness testimonies, even my own, God is clearly seen and so as the Word of God says, "...He is clearly seen...so no man is without excuse" when it comes to believing in Him.

"No single god is required....only in your mind!"

My earlier point negates your claim here in that you say this as if it is true, but you have no authority to appeal to for a standard of truth; their is nothing guiding you that is able to dictate truth which makes it your arbitrary opinion.

Besides this point, there are many ways that a single God is required. For instance the idea of an ultimate being requires a single being because if their are two or more separate ultimate beings which one is ultimate? Neither can be if they are equal. So a single ultimate is necessary...

You can see as well as I can that everything from the world we live in to our ability to reason requires a single ultimate God. Without an ultimate authority our search for truth and our current conclusions are in real danger of being arbitrary and pointless. So I maintain that when one comes to this conclusion, or is unable to argue it successfully, then it is time to consider what that very real God wants us to know.